Socrates' way to have meaningful questions is the best way to bypass emotional triggers when talking to indoctrinated Democrats and publicity victims, and this interview about a conversation with Alex Newman from New American magazine So I explained Lisa Ekman, the self-proclaimed “former swamp creature.” Ekmann also shares her own story of a new book that took the Democrats and not educated the elites, providing insight into the process and awakening her from programming. After working at DC Swamp for Democrats and the federal government, policies such as censorship, health attacks led her to ask questions. Now she shares the public with the way to save her brainwashed family and friends from dangerous programming.